• sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works
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    23 days ago

    Sure, and many capitalists support socialist ownership structures within an otherwise capitalist system.

    I’m pretty supportive of laissez faire capitalism (with caveats; I consider myself a left-leaning libertarian), and I also agree that worker co-ops are a great idea in many cases. The important thing, to me, with capitalism is that profit motive drive the decision making process in a competitive market. Sanders seems to largely agree, he just wants more of that profit to make its way to the workers.

    Socialism (generally speaking, I know socialism is a big tent), seeks to eliminate both the profit motive and competitive markets, seeing both as waste. From what I know of Bernie Sanders, he’s not on board with that view of socialism, he just wants the average person to be better off.

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      23 days ago

      Remember: anti-capitalism ≠ socialism

      Democratic worker co-ops are postcapitalist, but are also non-socialist because they are perfectly compatible with markets and private property. I’m suggesting that Sanders is authentically anti-capitalist, but he conflates his anti-capitalism with being socialist in a category error and thus buys into a false dichotomy.

      All firms must be legally mandated to be worker coops on classical liberal inalienable rights theory grounds

      @noncredibledefense

      • sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works
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        22 days ago

        Worker co-ops are socialist, because the workers literally own the means of production. In fact, I argue they’re about as pure as you can get with socialism, since there’s no government getting in the way so it could theoretically exist in a stateless society.

        Being compatible with capitalism does not preclude something from being socialist.