Before United Healthcare CEO Brian Thompson was murdered, a lawsuit filed against the firm revealed just how bad its claims-denying was.
      • shirro@aussie.zoneEnglish
        6·
        17 days ago

        I shouldn’t still need to point this out but most boomers are poor. They also have a lot of medical issues and are mistreated by the health system and aged care. They are also mentally abused by cynical political strategists that target their fears and drive them half crazy.

        If you haven’t noticed the wealth divide is increasing and the rich are getting further away from regular people. That is happening despite rich boomers dying. Their wealth is being inherited and their replacements are just as mean.

        Anytime you see a divisive comment like old.people, immigrants, trans are at fault question the source and if it is worth repeating. Its possible a lot of such comments originate in enemies of free societies. Community is important. It’s the foundation for a fair and peaceful society. We can’t have community while we have this mindset of excluding the other.

        • psud@aussie.zoneEnglish
          2·
          15 days ago

          There are also reasonably credible opinions that all of the things we divide ourselves on are deliberately propagated to distract us from the real power imbalance - all of us versus the incredibly wealthy. All of us against the corporations.

          Generation anger especially is nuts. The older generation will die, their supposed enormous wealth will go to the generation below, and so on. Boomers had fewer children than the generation before, X have had even fewer. Generational wealth should be concentrating

        • granolabar@kbin.melroy.org
          21·
          17 days ago

          I am not going to dispute this but top 10% are essentially all boomers and they sick owner dick with joy while selling out everyone.

          The poor ones are retarded sure but they wanted for this shit.

          Frankly, boomers are not allies and they need to be held accountable for their role here.

          Any boomer with half a brain knows all of this anyway. I doubt I am hurting that persons feelings.

          Also boomer is now mental state as many gen x sold out and rich boomer crotch fruit larp it. Quit being poor

          • shirro@aussie.zoneEnglish
            4·
            17 days ago

            You might as well start calling 20 year olds boomers because it is a class war and always has been a class war and always will be a class war and age is irrelevant. Any name that obscures that fact only helps perpetuate the divisions. Ageists are in the same category as racists, sexists and all other bigots. They contribute nothing to debate but name calling. Deal with the hate or direct it where it is deserved. Call these health insurance CEOs what they are. They are parasitic hoarders of wealth who profit from the misery of others. In fair societies we provide healthcare for all, young and old without these scum. Only a society that has its shit together can do something like that and you can’t get your shit together if all you do is call people names.

      • microphone900@lemmy.mlEnglish
        8·
        18 days ago

        I can’t help but think of the scene from Rush Hour where Chris Tucker’s character explains to Jackie Chan’s character his theory on big crimes. It was something like ‘Follow the rich guy. There’s always a rich guy waiting for his slice.’ I gotta rewatch it now.

      • CosmicTurtle0@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
        9·
        17 days ago

        I sort of see why UHC would go in this direction. Case law (as in understand it) around AI and algorithms is that they can’t be blamed held accountable on how they make decisions. Because they are black boxes, they are given a pass.

        When a human reviews and denies a claim, it can be scrutinized, making it possible for the human to be reviewed and discredited. And a human might even gasp approve a case.

        When it’s AI, it can’t be reviewed. It can be blamed, but with no responsibility, it can’t be sued.

        We really need more regulation around algorithms and AI or more shit like this is going to happen.

        Edit: wording

        • Lodespawn@aussie.zoneEnglish
          12·
          17 days ago

          But AI is a tool, it’s like saying you can’t sue the gun I shot you with so you just need to suck it up.

        • granolabar@kbin.melroy.org
          1·
          17 days ago

          Well if our legal system gonna be like that, then parasitic executive culture will chimp out.

          They used algos for fixing rent for a decade and are still doing. Government barely lift a finger to fix it and I bet we will keep getting fucked for another decade

          This is just how the country is being ran… We need to accept it and go in opposition

          • monogram@feddit.nlEnglish
            1·
            15 days ago

            Hold up, algorithms are just simple “if else” trees, nothing more and technically can easily be reviewed. AI is a black box where an apples to apples review is impossible.

    • Jo Miran@lemmy.mlEnglish
      53·
      18 days ago

      Seriously. I am almost 100% the guy in the picture was my waiter at the Boathouse restaurant, in Disney Springs (Florida), on the night of the shooting. The person in the picture was nowhere near the state of New York.

  • microphone900@lemmy.mlEnglish
    58·
    18 days ago

    Here’s an article from last year to add a little more context.

    UnitedHealth uses the algorithm to “prematurely and in bad faith discontinue payment for healthcare services,” the complaint said.

    “This is an example of how AI is being utilized not to help people but to line the pockets of corporations and their shareholders,” Clarkson said.

    When these coverage denials are appealed to federal administrative law judges, about 90% are reversed, the complaint said, demonstrating the “blatant inaccuracy” of the algorithm. Only a tiny fraction of patients appeal the denials at all, Clarkson said.

    Also, UnitedHealth said they stopped using the algorithm, turns out they just renamed it and are now using it to deny or reduce mental health treatments. How UnitedHealth’s Playbook for Limiting Mental Health Coverage Puts Countless Americans’ Treatment at Risk

    • Track_Shovel@slrpnk.netEnglish
      20·
      17 days ago

      Ah, yes, creating more work for an already overloaded legal and healthcare system, while pocketing the profits from people who won’t fight it. Man, I LOVE capitalism…

    • Notyou@sopuli.xyzEnglish
      27·
      17 days ago

      Insurance companies practice medicine without a license all the time and those practices result in death. We are just supposed to pretend that’s the correct way to live.

    • BedSharkPal@lemmy.caEnglish
      5·
      17 days ago

      Totally unrelated question, but did Hitler actually directly kill anyone? Mao? Or was it just through their directing of others?

  • Rhaedas@fedia.io
    37·
    18 days ago

    “Look, if we allow these claims then everyone sick will file claims. The hit on our profit margin would be terrible!”

  • pearsaltchocolatebar@discuss.onlineEnglish
    19·
    17 days ago

    Yup, I was in an AI/ML training session about a year ago, and there were a few hospital execs there too. They were absolutely giddy about the prospect of using AI to deny care to unprofitable patients.

  • RunawayFixer@lemmy.worldEnglish
    17·
    17 days ago

    The ai they use is also not intended to separate those who need care from those who don’t, instead the ai is meant to separate those who would successfully appeal against the decision from those who wouldn’t. This is how the UHC denial rate was able to shoot up so fast: from 10.9% in 2020 to 32% in 2023. There have to be a lot of excess deaths, personal bankruptcies and homelessness hiding behind that statistic.

    • psud@aussie.zoneEnglish
      2·
      15 days ago

      There’s at least one chronic pain patient who allegedly took it out on one CEO, causing one excess death. It’ll be nuts if his jury nullifies his alleged crime

  • Salvo@aussie.zoneEnglish
    12·
    17 days ago

    A computer program that returns “denied” in all situations is not an AI.

    • Nelots@lemm.eeEnglish
      4·
      17 days ago

      Truly a shame he got unjustly murdered. Couldn’t have happened to a nicer guy.

  • MarxMadness@lemmygrad.mlEnglish
    7·
    17 days ago

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_murder

    When one individual inflicts bodily injury upon another such that death results, we call the deed manslaughter; when the assailant knew in advance that the injury would be fatal, we call his deed murder. But when society places hundreds of proletarians in such a position that they inevitably meet a too early and an unnatural death, one which is quite as much a death by violence as that by the sword or bullet; when it deprives thousands of the necessaries of life, places them under conditions in which they cannot live – forces them, through the strong arm of the law, to remain in such conditions until that death ensues which is the inevitable consequence – knows that these thousands of victims must perish, and yet permits these conditions to remain, its deed is murder just as surely as the deed of the single individual

  • Sam_Bass@lemmy.worldEnglish
    4·
    17 days ago

    now you know the real reason for ai existence. making more money for those that have too much