• Catoblepas@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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    “I still think you should try to make an argument, and I think this is—there may be things wrong with our healthcare system, but you have to make an argument, and you have to try to find a way to convince people and change it by that,” Thiel eventually said.

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      Immediately after that he says

      this is not going to work

      He lost his composure but I think this is actually a good point. Everybody is talking about how cathartic it is that this happened, and how this guy deserved it, but not a lot of real consideration how this could actually get us sane healthcare.

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        I can think of two major healthcare concessions that have been made since. Now, whether they were forgone conclusions, I cannot say. But, it sure is cathartic seeing all these scared billionaires trying to talk their way out of why the killings shouldn’t continue until healthcare improves.

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        I think after 30 Plus years of struggling the “right way” and failing all while hundreds of thousands of us die has made us all a little willing to try a new way. If it fails also then oh well no harm done. At least to no one we’re not willing to lose.

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          That’s my take, too. I’ve done activism, and peaceful protests, and letters to my Congresscritter, and done it all for a long, long time. Years and years of doing what we’re supposed to hasn’t accomplished squat. Luigi’s activism seems much more effective.

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          I don’t think the ACA was a failure, it improved some of the most glaring issues, and made a big difference for me personally. US life expectancy has continued to rise over most of those 30 years. Affordability is worse, this particular problem of scammy, “let’s maximize profit by dishonesty and disregard for humanity where we’re likely to get away with it” insurance is worse, but the system as a whole could be allowing more death and suffering than it is.

          If it fails also then oh well no harm done. At least to no one we’re not willing to lose.

          Maybe it isn’t the person that is the loss, it’s the risk of further increase in the general level of fear, corruption, violence and chaos. Political murders aren’t free. If the answer to how the benefit can be worth the cost (or even how there is any benefit) is “dunno lol” maybe it isn’t.

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        It sure seems to be working to me. They are afraid at the people they’ve been hurting, the lack of which was certainly part of the problem. And we’re having all this dialogue around it.

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    Jesus what the fuck. That guy’s eyes are abbout to roll back and turn red and he’s going to grow a hundred pointy fangs and start shrieking.

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    Peter Andreas Thiel (born 11 October 1967) is an American entrepreneur, venture capitalist, and political activist. A co-founder of PayPal, Palantir Technologies, and Founders Fund, he was the first outside investor in Facebook. As of July 2024, Thiel had an estimated net worth of US$11.2 billion and was ranked 212th on the Bloomberg Billionaires Index.

    wikipedia

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      Huh I never knew anything about him except he supported stuff to make society worse and was a billionaire, yeah I repeat myself. I thought he’d be older like a Koch for some reason.

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      Imagine being worth 11 Billion (that we know of) and only being 212th on the billionaires list.

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        If the Tolkien estate has a trademark on that word it doesn’t stop a company in an entirely different field to name their company that word. Owning a trademark doesn’t mean you own all the usage rights of that word. You only have the rights in a specific category.

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          So, if an arms manufacturer creates a functional Iron Man suit, is nothing stopping them from calling it Iron Man? I assume they wouldn’t be allowed to make it look exactly like the Marvel character, but comic books and the MIC are certainly in different fields…

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    We tried every form of peaceful protest. They make protest illegal. They wouldn’t listen. The fact of the matter is we’re in a fight for the very survival of humanity and these people want to drive us all off a cliff.

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    You know, it doesn’t even take 5 more CEOs being blue shelled to really scare them.

    It really only takes 1 more, but that person happens to be a member of the security firm they hire to protect them.

    At that point, the paranoia would eat them up way more than any future violence ever could, because it’d be impossible for them to feel safe with money.

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    He looks like the kind of guy who gets violent when drunk

    and also when sober

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    “I don’t think…um…”

    yeah I get that about you Thiel… beginning to wonder if you wanted to win this election at all.

    also, this is the first time I’ve seen an anime-style head vein bulging IRL.

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    Thiel has a bunker in NZ that he plans to retreat to if “shit hits the fan”.

    How hard would it be to convince him to bug out and seal himself up in that place, cutting off all communications? Obviously, I’d prefer if he were dead, but sealed up in a hole in the ground terrified about what’s happening in the outside world would be an acceptable compromise.

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      They’re absolute fools to think they can survive long in a bunker.

      The only solution to survival is building community - a sustainable socialist society where people work together to live good lives and take of each other and our planet.

      These absolute fools think they can turn the world to ash and go live in a concrete prison underground. Then emerge when? To what kind of existence?

      If shit really hits the fan the first thing we’ll do is go after the bunkers and space ships.

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        Yeah, Douglas Rushkoff has a book about that, Survival of the Richest. For some reason, billionaires consulted him about their “shit hits the fan” plans, and he laughed at them and wrote a book about it. They had all these elaborate fantasies about how they were going to keep their security team loyal after civilization collapsed, or about how they’d avoid having any humans working for them and use robots instead. But, they hadn’t even thought about the most basic things.

        Like, one guy had an underground bunker complete with a swimming pool (or at least plans for one). Rushkoff said to the guy that his neighbor had a pool and frequently had contractors over to clean it, or replace parts, etc. He asked what the guy was going to do about basic pool maintenance. The guy got out a notepad and wrote “get replacement parts for the pool” or something. He basically hadn’t even thought 1 step beyond the initial idea.

        You’re right that the best plan for an apocalyptic scenario is to have useful skills that other people will appreciate, so that you can be a valuable, contributing member of their community. And no, billionaire CEOs, “leadership skills” don’t count. Or, if they do, the leaders will either be strongmen who are personally very comfortable with using violence to ensure everyone falls in line, or they’ll be very empathetic people who resolve disputes and make sure everyone works in harmony. It won’t be people who make “cut-throat decisions” but who faint at the sight of actual blood.

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          Thank you for posting this - I may have to add that to my reading list.

          One thing that’s been in the back of my mind for a few years now, was basically this. I think we’re seeing the wealthiest going full-mask-off-kleptocracy in an effort to hoard wealth only to leave (somehow) when the physical and metaphorical heat gets to be too much. A true rich-man’s response to climate change. But I struggled to square the concept of building wealth that is ultimately based on the current economy, with how that could possibly be useful in a worst-case scenario. Now I can see that there really is a disconnect in the minds of these people, as though the medium to long-term isn’t a consideration.

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      So, roll out, the fallout,

      The front rows are sold out.

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      That’s really hard to watch. Def. not ok. If I was standing next to a person who was acting, talking like that I would be wondering what’s really going on here. If it was someone I knew, cared about, I’d be thinking of questions to draw out what got him to that state. And how to walk him back to normal. I’ve never heard Thiel speak before, is he always like that? Weird.

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        I don’t know much about Ketamine other than it is Elon’s drug of choice. But I know Elon and Thiel are in cahoots since forever. Is this a WAY too much Ketamine symptom? Bro couldn’t form a sentence.

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          Nah this isn’t ketamine. Ketamine disassociates you from everything. Maybe it’s a smallish dose, but he’s pretty sweaty, so probably uppers.

          This looks like a come down from a coke binge, maybe some meth thrown in. Hell, maybe he did ketamine and some coke after to try to balance it.

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            Yeah, okay thanks. He’s definitely whacked out on something here.

            Interesting choice to make yourself look like a stuttering melting Hitler before a mass disseminated interview.

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            It looks like my panic attacks do. Panicking with high twitchy energy, stuttering, and lots of action with no forethought. He clearly isn’t thinking before speaking and probably wasn’t thinking before agreeing to speak.

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      Agreed!! Anyone who hasn’t watched it yet is def in for a treat. Dude is definitely not ok 🍳

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    It would be great if this dude just destroys his liver or kidneys with whatever ghoulish, experimental life extension treatments he’s constantly trying…

    And I mean like in a way that makes it so they can’t just replace them. What a wonderful Christmas gift that would be.