This is the very essence of the difference that should exist between a President and a King. From Federalist 69:

The President of the United States would be liable to be impeached, tried, and, upon conviction of treason, bribery, or other high crimes or misdemeanors, removed from office; and would afterwards be liable to prosecution and punishment in the ordinary course of law. The person of the king of Great Britain is sacred and inviolable; there is no constitutional tribunal to which he is amenable; no punishment to which he can be subjected without involving the crisis of a national revolution. In this delicate and important circumstance of personal responsibility, the President of Confederated America would stand upon no better ground than a governor of New York, and upon worse ground than the governors of Maryland and Delaware.

The failure of the Republican party to support this kind of check on Presidential power is why we’re having this crisis now.

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    “Oh, shit, so you mean Biden could have just cancelled all that student debt anyway?”

    “Well of course not, don’t be stupid!”

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      That’s the problem with being on the side of the rule of law: you’re constrainted by it, but the side of lawlessness is not.

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        being on the side of the rule of law

        Except when you override prohibitions on arming a county in defiance of the ICC because it’s Israel.

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          You know he’s not president anymore, right? And that party lost the election?

          Now we’ve got a guy who’s excited for ethnic cleansing so he can open a casino in Gaza.

          Congratulations.

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            You know he’s not president anymore, right? And that party lost the election?

            Maybe, just maybe, it is because something is wrong in-of-itself and not because it is a wedge issue used to demotivate voters?

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          in defiance of the ICC because it’s Israel.

          Without commenting on the US’s attitude towards Israel, the US is not party to the ICC so no act is defiance because the ICC doesn’t have jurisdiction.

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          Congrats! You are the toad in the (now) boiling water. Pat yourself on the back for a job well done.

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            Even if they are not American, they are fucked as well.

            They helped hand over the strongest military in the history of the world to fascists. Fascists do not stop at their borders. They are like locusts, hell bent on murder and conquering. I’m glad I got passports so I can get my wife and kids out when shit hits the fan.

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              I’m glad I got passports so I can get my wife and kids out when shit hits the fan.

              So, um, I have some good news and some bad news…

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          If I challenged you to write an email to a prominent politician, celebrity or business leader asking them to use their access to the media to advocate for Palestine every time you talked about Joe Biden, would you do it?

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    This is the step where the cart goes over the top of the hill, you’re not coming back if this starts.

    Hard to hear, but if goes forward, this does signal that it’s breaking windows time. We all have a Luigi line, start really considering where yours is…

    Especially if you’re young, and they are doing this before you have been able to establish your own career or a family of your own, the rest of the world needs your strength and energy in these moments. Make no mistake, they are threatening you directly, they want to sell your future for a small profit added to the pile they are hoarding. Decide how hard you want to fight against that

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      Especially if you’re older and know that everything you’ve worked for is at risk. Especially if you’re middle aged and your hope of a comfortable old age is being destroyed. Especially if you have family, and know your children’s future depends on it.

      I know you mean well but fuck ageism, the youth always fight. They don’t need a pep talk, older people do.

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        And then there are the rest of us. Not quite young anymore, but we were robbed of the chance to even have anything to anchor us down. We’ve been squeezed out of the housing market nearly our entire adult lives. We never could justify having a child, perhaps because of money, perhaps because our consciences wouldn’t let us, perhaps because of both. We job-hop every few years already, as it’s the only way we’ve ever received a sizable pay raise.

        There is no house, no child, and no job for us to worry about losing. I don’t know about y’all, but I’ve been doing little more than fighting to get by for far too long.

        I’m ready to fight for something else.

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        Heh. I’m middle aged and the only hope of comfort I’ve ever had for my elder years is chemical. I’m what you call an optimist.

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      The objection was always that somebody dark-skinned might be President, or that assets might be expropriated from billionaires, not that tyranny might be an issue.

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          Random acts mean nothing but support for the other Minecraft team as the idiot centrists decry the violence.

          America’s problem is that its resistance is made of a fractured left. Things will have to get bad to get a rebellion going, and quite frankly I think the blue states would seceed first.

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      What are they supposed to say? If they say anything they’re gonna have the SS knocking on their door.

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      I mean, it’s not going to stop until that fat orange thing is having its brains scraped off the pavement. Hopefully sooner than later.

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        Hate to break it to you but kinda tip of the iceberg. And murdering trump would absolutely serve to make him a co-opted martyr and throw us into the absolute fucking deep end.

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      best I can do is the democratic party going “tsk tsk” geriatrically.

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        What they’re doing as a result of constituent pressure is voting ‘no’ on everything. It’s not having a huge impact yet because confirming cabinet appointments only needs 51 votes, and Republicans have that with a few to spare.

        The place it’ll be meaningful is on the debt ceiling increase, where it will take Democratic votes to pass it in both houses.

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          which it will. the impotent party couldn’t even push aside an extremely malnourished fuckface to get into a building.

          voting no, lol.

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            The “malnourished fuckface” was working for Triple Canopy, part of what used to be called Blackwater. Talk is easy. Taking a bullet is not.

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    Time to use those guns you’ve been hoarding. Wasn’t that the reason you’re even allowed to have them?

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      When I was little, long before I had a reason to want it to be true, I had this theory that the Secret Service, which is obviously not a secret, was called that because they had a secret mandate: If the President ever gets really out of pocket and goes for dictator powers, it’s their job to execute him as a traitor.

      Anyway, I doubt it’s true, but I’ve been thinking about it a lot lately.

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        The Praetorian Guard killed some emperors, but that isn’t an official duty of the Secret Service. Of course, it wasn’t an official duty of the Praetorian Guard either.

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          I feel like the more likely scenario is if someone really wanted to do it, they wouldn’t, but they’d let it happen by inaction if someone else did it.

          Oh shit, I didn’t see that shooter.

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      Not yet. Trump saying something horrifying while it not being entirely clear he understands what he’s actually saying or how anything in government is supposed to work is what we call Monday around here.

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        You don’t want the military intervening they might decide to run things in a manner efficient for the end user instead of the rich people!

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          Historically, this is not usually the result of the military taking over a country. Usually the general who did the coup becomes the new rich person, thanks to all the political power.

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            Unless they are a person of integrity. Say for instance George Washington, Nicola wanted him to rule, he said nah bro!

            We just need the general who removes tyrant trump to be a man who believes in his oath to defend our nations constitution written by we the people, passed down for generations and defended by the blood of those who came before his tenure. I don’t doubt there is such honor still among those who serve. After all it is their oath to defend our construction from enemy’s both foreign and domestic. Our dictator and chief fits both.

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        There’s no proper channels for this. Either the military leadership is motivated or they’re not.

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            I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic

            It’s the domestic part we have to concern ourselves with, and thankfully the Joint Chiefs seem to still think he’s an idiotic shitbag

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              They might think he’s a shitbag, but I bet they’re not unhappy with him. Unless he threatens to cut their spending?

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    So like, when will other countries start letting us evacuate to them?

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      We haven’t done a whole lot lately to endear ourselves to allies and partner nations unfortunately

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        Sadly a lot of the people who will get fucked the hardest, like myself, are also the kinda people who agree with the frustrations of allied and partnered nations, yet will get judged based on the behavior of magats instead of the fact that we don’t want any of the shit the US is doing but can’t change anything.

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      Hi, just about any EU country here, please apply for asylum at the nearest convenient embassy in the US, and we will get to you once we processed all these people from Syria, and Africa at large. This may take several decades as the Nazis your government is funding are lobbying to defund the whole thing.

      If you want to try to expedite this process you might want to hop over to Albania and try to make your case at the wonderful township of Röszke where you can be a backdrop to the next election campaign in Hungary.

      Helpful phrases include:

      • Fehér vagyok, nem migráns! - I’m white, not a migrant!
      • Van pénzem! - I have money!

      Less helpful phrases that will only elicit laughter are:

      • Vannak jogaim! - I have rights!
      • Emberi lény vagyok! - I am a human being!

      Don’t worry, our best people who we could get to supplement the border guard as “border hunters” for 130 EUR a month full time are there to help you. They are highly qualified, as attending school for at least 8 years is mandatory (any actual grade attainment is not guaranteed and frankly unlikely).

      You thought the ICE was bad.

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        your police have been militarizing themselves for 20 years to make sure you dont save yourselves, either.

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      And where the fuck do you plan to go? As a Canadian, I’m looking at where to send my family to be safe from the YOUR country.

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    That fucking Lizard Peter Thiel fucking rebooted when asked about the popular support for Luigi. The mother fucker had not thought about what happens when we the people get tired of their shit and unite against them. They’ve spent so much time and money dividing us so they can take it all it never occurred that it might backfire.

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      That blubbering little weasel. “Y-y-you have to find another way.” I think was the line he used. We tried other ways. Those who make peaceful change impossible make violent revolution inevitable. Luigi showed how to fight back with some effect.

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        Thiel, Yarvin etc., are all so convinced of their own superiority that any actual challenge to their world view/tactics is completely unexpected. They can only comprehend doing violence to people who won’t do anything about it. They get their rocks off over child murderers, and state sanctioned violence, but cry when the people they want to step on show and ounce of spine. It’s pathetic.

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    RIP US constitution.

    You were a good constitution and worked as a framework for democracies around the world.

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      You were a good constitution

      Was it though? It institutionalized slavery for nearly a century, was blatantly sexist for well over a century, and enshrined a majoritarian system that created the political duopoly that has plagued the US since its inception.

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        if you take your modern glasses off and understand it in context, it was actually pretty forward thinking despite its flaws.

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          That’s great, I’ll be sure to keep that in mind next time I time travel to the year 1788 for a political discussion.

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              You’re giving me the same line that always gets trotted out to defend historical bullshit. I understand the argument, I’ve heard it before, and I don’t buy it. In the modern day (where we live and are conversing) the constitution has a history of blatant human rights violations. We should recognize and acknowledge that, not excuse it for being “from a different time.”

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    And unless someone enforces the rules and consequences for breaking them for the first time in his miserable fucking life, he will be correct.

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    The gears grind slower each rotation, yet we’re still surprised when the machine jams. Constitutional guardrails only work if the drivers pretend they exist—a quaint fiction evaporating under the heat of performative strongman politics. We’ve seen this before: executive overreach dressed as “emergency,” norms crumbling like stale bread.

    What’s novel is the brazenness. Courts are now just another PR obstacle, their rulings reduced to content for the outrage algorithm. Linz warned of dueling mandates, not this farce where one branch swallows the rest whole. The Founders’ checks? Dry rot under the floorboards, termites long since victorious.

    Democracy cosplay can’t hide the scaffolding. When the executive branch treats the judiciary as a nuisance, the only remaining question is how many will still clap as the curtain falls.