• Neuromancer@lemm.ee
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    8 months ago

    They’ve been doing it for years how they want. Putin doesn’t like when people disagree. I’ve never seen so many people accidentally fall out of windows.

    Until you see units refusing to go to war, my point stands.

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      8 months ago

      Russia was literally forcing poorly equipped and even more poorly trained prisoners to rush at the enemy and absorb bullets.

      As for units refusing to fight, we have seen second line Russians mowing down front line Russians trying to escape the battlefield. There have also been recent reports of Russian pilots sabotaging their own aircraft to keep themselves from flying dangerous missions. Of course there were also the Wagner troops that started marching on Moscow.

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          8 months ago

          Why are you starting from an assumption that soldiers are somehow oblivious to the tragedies of war?

          If your such a peacenic, then you should not be rewarding attempts at territorial acquisition by warfare. Every death in this mess can be laid at the feet of Putin and his supporters.

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      8 months ago

      There have been many people refusing to fight for the Kremlin. They have a blocking line that kills their soldiers if they turn around… that’s their level or morale.

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        8 months ago

        That is Russia being Russia. They did that in ww2.

        Not sure how “historical” everything is but they showed that in enemy at the gates. That really was a shocking scene.

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          8 months ago

          Yeah, I feel bad for the young men forced into the trenches.

          We learned from WWII that appeasement doesn’t work, and that democracies need to stand together to defend our freedom.

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            8 months ago

            We also learned in ww2 that most countries are not thankful for us helping them in their wars. We have a large ocean between us and everyone else. I’m fine letting Europe solve European problems.

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              8 months ago

              WWII propelled the US to it’s current position as the only real superpower. The US benefited tremendously in some critical ways.

              Also, the bigger of the oceans between the countries didn’t stop Japan from destroying a huge portion of the US Navy. If they weren’t proactive in responding, it could have been much, much worse. Japan could have solidified it’s initial gains and used the territory and resources to grow even stronger, and the Nazis weren’t far from having the bomb.

              Isolationism is a nice ideal in some ways, but it’s not viable anymore.

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                8 months ago

                The Nazis were far from having the bomb. They talk about this in Oppenheimer.

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                  8 months ago

                  If they only had to focus on the Easter front they would have had more resources and way more time. If the US sat on its hands it would only be a matter of time until they faced a much stronger Germany armed with nukes.

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                    8 months ago

                    Well maybe the bunny is why they lost the Easter front?

                    Germany would have take. 10-20 years to have developed the bomb.