(Not you OP, you = governments)
You want to block corporate social media sites as propaganda
I want to block corporate social media sites because they’re parasites on society.
We are not the same.
Im actually quite upset that lawmakers havent used this to pass generalized privacy protection.
They have an opportunity to end mass survailance, but thats OK if its US survailance
Our tools of social connection vs their tools of propaganda.
Now fill in the possessive pronouns with either country and change them depending on the specific tool used.
Because the US government is more interested in picking who can spy on us for fun and profit, not whether anyone should.
I want to block them because they are both
I don’t care what they are. I just think the internet in its current state sucks and I like the idea of there being less of it.
What sucks is I’ve imagined a social media platform that was built with good intentions to actually better being people together and make their lives better. It’s one of the worst missed opportunities in recent memory.
Ooh… i dont think the tankies will like this!
Oh no anyway
Its hilarious the instance the tankies most frequent is banned in china
Tankies like a lot of evil shit, so I really don’t care about what they like or don’t like.
Don’t forget China blocks tiktok too.
IIRC China tried to stir up its internet users about the US blocking Tiktok and it fell flat because it’s blocked for them too.
China doesn’t block Douyin
I don’t understand why you guys are trying to educate me on how Bytedance operates. It’s the same as how Weixin and WeChat work. China wants to moderate and curate Douyin but you guys still expect China not to get involved in Tik Tok. Sure it’s content is different but it’s literally the same thing with the same backdoor accessibility. Anyone that argues ‘bit China do good seeeeee’ is obviously masking their love for the red boot flavor.
Hilariously, you can interpret what I said in two ways:
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China do good by blocking kid access
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China do bad by limiting kid exposure internally while letting tik Tok run amok internationally
I’m of the latter camp, personally.
What I don’t understand is the sentiment that China would want to let Tik Tok run amok but drills down on Douyin. All while at the same time they say “see China doesn’t allow Tik Tok either, it’s nothing like their child friendly great alternative Douyin”.
China allows TikTok to run amok to do damage. Why would they want to do damage in their own country? Of course they would restrict it there.
I think we are on the same page here
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I believe they use a different backend/storage. Different content shows up depending if you are searching from Tiktok or Douyin. Perhaps someone from Bytedance is curating select content from Tiktok for Douyin.
Either way, if I put a video on Tiktok it does not mean Chinese users on Douyin will see it.
https://chinasocialmedia.net/tiktok-and-douyin-are-not-the-same/
They’re technically not banning tiktok, they’re banning China from owning tiktok
Which is somehow even worse : it’s like only the USA is allowed to spy on everyone!
They can still spy, but why would we make it easier for them?
So you don’t ridiculise your country by promoting freedom of trade but seizing the assets of the countries you don’t like when it’s a better tech than yours.
You can’t be ridiculed if you feel no shame.
our most and least popular politician is a sex predator who earned all his money by his dad dying and is currently at risk of losing his money because he can’t stop lying about things.
The greatest monument to american shamelessness is Donald J Trump.
I’m not with my government on a lot of things they do. I want the same data rights and restrictions to apply to all companies that host people’s personal information.
But what’s this about Impressive tech? Tiktoc? First that’s laughable, even more laughable is how you phrase is as if anyone would give a fuck if another country had some better tech. Sounds like you are projecting your own insecurities.
It will be just as easy for them, just less profitable. Now they’ll just pay Zuckerberg or Musk for the information. If they aren’t already.
And it’s not like they can’t maintain use of the thing while not being owners. Come on. Like there’s some magic rule if a company’s not owned by China, it can’t be used as a Chinese intelligence source? Come on.
If social media is in cahoots with foreign intelligence, there are better ways to handle it in my opinion.
The fact that China is using disinformation to stop the forced sale of TikTok is pretty telling that they will be negatively impacted by this.
Or that they’re willing to expend energy to get us to think that.
Every superpower spies on their citizens. Every single one.
They’re functionally forcing the sale of the company to a US Firm at fire sale prices.
Yeah, you are right. They should do like they do in China, sell to a JV with a local company at fire sales price… Oh wait
sell to a JV with a local company at fire sales price
The Chinese policy is to share ownership with locals, so that a firm isn’t simply extracting wealth from the Chinese market.
The American policy is to seize a pre-existing firm after it has developed, by accusing its Singapore founder of being a secret Chinese Communist.
This is primarily intended as a hostile buyout of tiktok. It has literally nothing to do with China.
Lmao, the USA doesn’t operate the commercial sector outside of power, trains, rockets, and planes. It won’t benefit from the sale in any way other than lowering Chinese involvement.
The US government works for the billionaires that run the economy. Many billionaires want to buy tiktok. In fact, there’s already teams of people set up for buying out tiktok. The government is just the tool for the hostile acquisition. No one said the US government is directly purchasing tiktok.
The US Government and Billionaires are opposing forces, one political party wants to tax billionaires while the other is on the payroll.
They’re not at all opposing forces. Some billionaires are in competition with each other and political parties are tools at certain billionaires disposal.
The act of taxing income is but one political mechanism used to influence the power of some billionaires over another.
So which of these shadow government billionaires is pro-government in your eyes?
I’m not sure I understand your question. They are both pro-government. If any one human could be the personification of government, it would be the President of the United States.
They’re not going to sell though. The US only makes up a single-digit % of their users.
The USA is the biggest single market
https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/tiktok-users-by-country
Nothing I said is incorrect.
Didn’t disagree with you
Then you agree that they’re not going to sell? What does being the largest single market have to do with this? Fucking make a point, dude.
Then you have no point? They’re not going to sell their money machine because a tiny fraction of it went away.
Then you agree that they’re not going to sell? What does being the largest single market have to do with this? Fucking make a point, dude.
Calm the fuck down dude, jesus christ. Go touch grass
Still not a point 👍
Bruh have a beer and calm tf down
Do you have a source for that?
This seems to claim the most users are from the U.S.
China doesn’t use the same product. https://www.statista.com/statistics/1299807/number-of-monthly-unique-tiktok-users/
Your source is fine 👍
Yours says that ~90% of their users are not from the US.
Despite the US being Tiktoks largest single-country user base they still only make up a sliver of their monthly-active users.
So just over 4% of the worlds population is making up 10% of the usage. I suppose the owners shouldn’t care about that sliver of the users. They should care more about the smaller slivers, got it.
Tiktok is one of the largest social media apps on earth, they’re not selling it over a sliver. Why does it matter how much bigger the sliver is than the other ones? Are you stupid?
Yes
Me too
“TikTok” is an American Company. Their owners, ByteDance, also own a nearly identical product in china called 抖音 (Douyin). The Chinese version is much more closely operated by the military, their offices are literally military owned buildings and lots.
How much of their ad revenue comes from America though?
China also blocks tiktok
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Doesnt china have its own specific version?
More like, tiktok is our specific version
Douyin is what China has. That came first, then the parent company developed tiktok for release outside of china.
Then they bought Musical.ly, merged it with tiktok, and that became the modern version of the appMusical.ly, the pedophile platform?
Yeah.
The what? Lol
They blocked Douyin? That’s news to me
It’s not the same platform. Douyin has a different, separate database of content. Even though they share the same idea of how the app should function, they are disjoint social media platforms.
china blocked tiktok first
Not Douyin
I love these winnie pooh memes
I hate tiktok
but all these talks about keeping children off phones is restricting the flow of information to a point that it scares me. we have Enciclopedias in our pockets ffs.
if the bar kids from easily accessing the internet, they’re effectively blocking 2mil people (14-17) from instant access to information. (I did some sleep deprived math, dont @me if its off)
As far as I know, there’s no legislation being talked about to keep kids off their phones, or even social media. This is more of a concern about China having unfettered access to user data at the drop of a hat, which I can absolutely agree is an issue. Though I don’t know that current legislation is the solution.
That said, kids absolutely do need to spend more time off their phone than they do. We’ve seen legitimate issues arise from perpetual phone use. The issue is… you can’t really legislate that. It’s parents that need to get their heads out of the sand and actually parent.
If they actually cared about that, they would legislate data privacy laws that keep our data from being sold on the open market. As it is now, everyone from the FBI to your local cops, to the RNC to Chinese or Saudi companies can pay cash for user data. This legislation is largely protectionism for our own domestic surveillance capitalism industry.
Absolutely agreed, but that’s something republicans would never vote for. This is something that actually has a chance to be implemented.
Baby steps are better than no steps.
A fine example yet again why a two party system is so bad.
I’m thinking of downloading Wikipedia for my kids to use offline. Apparently it’s around 300gb, so I’ll probably do it on work’s wifi one day.
Lol yeah its far smaller without the pictures - I think closer to 50GB? Not sure though you’d have to check, but much better than 300GB.
Sweet!
Well it should come as no surprise the dictionary is in one of the most recent pushes for book bans in Florida
Honestly the brain dead obvious political move outside of monied interests is strong legislation to protect peoples information.
But we won’t see that
Well, do you want to be like China in that regard?
Yes clearly the way you know you are always doing the morally correct thing is to sink to the level of the everyone else.
And by everyone else you mean one country known for authoritarian censorship
What I meant was a general operating principle, not to take a side in a pissing match.
The standard is good behavior, not other people. Pointing out that X country is doing something wrong does not mean every country gets to do that wrong thing. The alternative to this viewpoint is one where we are effectively or actually extinct from an escalating cycles of violence and a race to the moral bottom.
See I thought you meant the exact opposite and thought “damn that’s dumb, that person is being dumb, I should be snarky”
No worries, should have been more clear. Have a good day.
USA is not banning tiktok, it’s banning china’s ownership of tiktok. If Chinese stake is sold to someone else, tiktok will remain.
Ah yes let’s copy China. Progressive
My self hosted DNS does all of that banning too. But that’s just my little quality of life thing (and whatever little that does fighting the global data overlords).
The fine line between “I don’t want to do the thing” and “I don’t want you to be able to do the thing”.
Yes.
But it’s a blurred lines between having to do something or being pressured or heavily encouraged to do something (otherwise you are left out of an important social system).
I’m totally agreeing with you, just adding that sometimes infrastructure matters (as it gives little choice to population) & can be especially bad if there is a single entity behind it with it’s own agenda not aligned with users interests (eg for profit companies, or in this case I guess geopolitical stuff too).
The same could be said of the US. GAFAM works for the US just like TikTok works for China. I’d like to see the reaction of the US if the EU told Meta to sell the European branch so they “can’t spy on EU citizens”.
There’s a difference here. Neither the US not the EU can just put their hands out and say “data pleeeeeaaase” and get what they want. There are legal and procedural protections in place for such things.
Chinese companies on the other hand, are required to do whatever the CCP says, when they are told to.
Yeah, right. Like Meta will say “fuck you” to the NSA.
If things go through the proper legal channels, no. But we are talking about anything not just specific things that go through the courts.
The CCP can say “Give me everything you have on bufalo1973, they bothered me one time and I want to bomb their house” and any Chinese company immediately hands over the data, because they have to.
In contrast, the NSA can still get some of that data, but they can’t demand it and expect it to be handed over without a good reason, and without jumping through hoops.
As an aside, trying to equate the CCP and the NSA is… odd. The CCP answers to no one, the NSA answers to the DOD, who answers to Congress.
Aside from Apple refusing to decrypt phones most tech companies seem to not have put up any resistance to providing the US (or even the saudi government in the case of X) with whatever info they ask for.
Like I think one of the regulatory agencies had to introduce a rule to bar US tech companies from selling user data to china.
Oh no, won’t somebody please think of Meta
A FORCED SALE IS NOT A BAN.
I’ve said this like a thousand times and I hate repitition, but the USA as a whole has never tried to ban TikTok. Trump claims he did, it isn’t allowed for military servicemembers, but it has never been banned.
Forced sale only works if your government has any control over the organizational structure of your company which the USA does not. What they are effectively doing is forcing the American arm of Tik Tok to sell without access to it’s technology which China can absolutely deny. If the sale doesn’t go through, the US will ban its use. If they do sell, it will be without the technology and a company will be Tik Tok in name only having to essentially build the service from the ground up. This is an effective ban of Tik Tok regardless of the outcome.
What makes you think the proprietary rights held by the Chinese hold any sway in the USA? If they want to try suing they can, heck they can even take it to international courts, but they won’t have much luck given the evidence that China was using it maliciously.
What I mean is, there is no way the Chinese headquarters of tik Tok will let the America arm of the company have access to its algorithm. Tik Tok is nothing without its algorithm. At best it’s a large install base that will dwindle once they realize til Tok kinda sucks all of a sudden.
Oh that would be interesting, it seems very uneconomic for it to be that centralized because the US facilities would be useless but I suppose I could see it as a possibility. In that case, whoever they sell to could try to sue them with pretty unlikely odds of success. More likely China would just refuse to sell in that circumstance, in which case it would be the same as China themselves ending TikTok.
Yeah, this way the US gets to control the algos and surveillance
