Pretty straightforward: where does the awareness that porn wrecks your mind and sexuality stops and where does simply conservatism towards sexuality begins (even in cases akin to bolshe morality)?
EDIT: okay, better clarifying it - i came across some video from some youtuber claiming that pornography is evil, period. and that there are things such as “metapornography”, which could apply to someone in instagram posting videos of themselves in scant dressing and claiming likes of it. and that no-fap and anti-masturbation movements are good things.
i was really confused about that since that person came from apparently a progressive-yet-moralistic background. but talking to other people to see if some of my impressions checked, it came to my mind that it was a heavily directed video intended to attract left-leaning people to a conservative agenda. my bad.
It is very simple. When you are worried about yourself and your own actions that is normal. When you are concerned about what others choose, that is conservatism.
When you stop having a realistic view of porn. If you are using it as a simple pleasure and exploring sexual expression, there’s no issue.
If you see you are using it too much, and is causing you problems, you may need to be aware that you are developing an addiction like any other.
If you start purposefully avoiding it even at the cost of your own comfort and stress relief, saying things like “porn wrecks your mind and sexuality”, you are entering the current conservative, frustrating young people to manipulate them territory.
Like any vice honestly. It can be fun and enjoyable. Too much and then you need to get some help and it will affect you. Forcing it out of your life, however, is not actually dealing with your problems but rather just hiding from them. Finding the balance is the goal.
A true recovered alcoholic isn’t someone who demands his friends stop drinking when they are around him. That’s someone who is trying to hide from it. A true recovered alcoholic is someone who can see their friends enjoy a drink and say “no thanks” when asked.
“metapornography” is a term new to me.
I’d expect some sort of extra interesting sex education thing. But they’re on about softcore porn or people looking attractive?
go figure. i felt confused about it and most people i’ve talked to says it’s just some conservative bullshit wrapped in women enpowerment.
I’m pretty sure this does the opposite of empower
Bolshe morality? What in the samhill is that?
Porn wrecks your mind?
Porn stops your sexuality? Wtf.
The real question is do you recognize you’re in some rabbit hole and that you shouldn’t assume even your starting framework is agreed upon by most other people.
Edit: your edit only makes me wonder if you’re satisfied with the algorithm funneling you to this sort of content and how your viewing habits reinforce it. Why wonder about people who think porn stunts their sexuality (still wtf?!?) when you can be watching literally anything else? Any idiot can post a YouTube video, doesn’t mean you have to watch it.
What in the samhill
Reminded me of the Lois and Clark series
Hmm, not familiar with the connection. I stumbled across it while roaming Wikipedia. Origins are unknown possible from “Samiel”, the name of the Devil in some opera. Or Sam Hill, a man in the 1800s known for using such foul language that his own name became a swear. Imagine that. While most strive to leave their mark on the world by leaving something good behind or raising good kids or helping someone in a life-changing way or whatever, he left behind his own name as a swear.
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Please don’t put some ridiculous binary statement in my mouth. There’s miles of distance between “porn wrecks your mind” and “excessive porn use can contribute to mental health and relationship issues”.
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I didn’t pull those phrases out of thin air, they’re from OP.
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I think you have a very different perspective from me on what OP was asking and what this thread is. To paraphrase:
OP said “here are these extreme claims that seem strange to me, is this really what most people believe?”
To which I said, “wtf, no, those are way out there. You’re in a YouTube bubble that doesn’t reflect the mainstream nor anyone with a data-based position”.
And you… seem to want to argue about the actual effects of porn. This is not a conversation about the effects of porn, this is a thread about how the yt video OP saw is propaganda. You don’t need to expend effort to pick out the small bits of truth within misinformation and propaganda. If you want to discuss the effects of porn, post a thread and find someone who wants to have that discussion. Good luck.
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Porn doesn’t wreck your mind if you’re a sensible person?
What are we talking about here? Easily impressionable people with no frame of reference? They’re susceptible to everything. Well-adjusted people with prior information? They’re susceptible to neither.
To conservatives, any porn viewing is a “porn addiction.” That’s their line.
Porn addiction is not on that line, not even close.
I maintain that what people mistake for porn addiction is just depression or possibly ADHD. Constant masturbation is a series of easy dopamine hits. If you quit cold turkey without making any other changes, you’ll probably just replace it with social media or gacha games.
When you start proselytizing your feelings about it including through seemingly bad faith posts on the Internet that beg the question.
Both notions are pretty far out there tbh. There is nothing wrong with ethically produced pornography.
Conservatives: all glimpses of porn are automatically upgraded to ADDICTION.
Progressives: all porn actors are automatically upgraded to HUMAN TRAFFICKING VICTIMS.
you support ADDICTION and HUMAN TRAFFICKINGI think most people absorb a puritan idea of “removed” from society. Even like liberals, queer people, and sex nerds (people into kink) will have a version of this. For the right, it’s usually a very misogynistic idea about how female sexuality and anything gay is evil. And this is usually what makes conservatives want to quit porn, though sometimes they won’t admit it and they’ll talk about like their essence or whatever.
So like you don’t need to quite porn for the right reasons, you can just do it. But maybe spend some time thinking why you want to do it, and if it’s because of some idea of removed or shame then you should also think about it you really want to hold those ideas, because they will ultimately make you just as miserable as the porn did.
Somewhere in the middle
