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This is the power of the fediverse.
You can have all the anti speech rules you want on your instance, people can just start posting elsewhere using the same account and app.
We have a good chance now to see how well this theory works in reality. Exciting times!
It has already worked in the past.
[email protected] and [email protected] replaced [email protected]
For the details on the powertrip: https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/29606682
Thanks for the example!
And they are now some (if not the) largest communities on those subjects on the Threadiverse (and the top communities on their instance), so I consider that point demonstrated.
It’s like the original idea behind the Net - if a node goes down, everything shifts to accommodate. If the power posters switch to a specific community people will just use that more.
Reasons for starting a new community:
- Avoid centralisation
- Avoid tankie instances
- If you don’t agree with the current Mods or Admins
We’ve done all that and it has worked.
I say it worked out, I posted this that is about a topic that’s been getting banned in lemmy.world.
The problem is that the community you might want to be involved with might be under them. The mods do not represent a community, and may even work against it. This is sort of what happened in reddit’s worldnews, where its mods have worked to make it be the neozionist hotspot it is today.
You end up doing pretty much what you do in reddit if you want to continue participating in a community, just creating another alt and try to post when the asshole mods are not active. Most people don’t just move on to the discount alternative community with 90% less people participating in it.
The whole algorithm of what a community is really needs to be reworked, but most people on lemmy just seem to want discount reddit.
It has already worked in the past.
[email protected] and [email protected] replaced [email protected]
For the details on the powertrip: https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/29606682
Just FYI: the second [email protected] should be [email protected].
Well spotted!
I think what ends up happening though is the number of people that actually end up seeing your content is so small it’s kinda pointless.
Seems like it becomes a situation of “which wind would you like to piss into.”
…that’s kind of what all of this is regardless, no?
There isn’t that many people posting on Lemmy as a whole, so people will follow where the content gets posted.
[email protected] helps to promote new communities
Edit:
[email protected] and [email protected] replaced [email protected]
For the details on the powertrip: https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/29606682
One of the greatest country songs ever made. My own personal anthem.
The best part is the left wing instances that .worlders kept complaing are removing it less
That’s not exactly a new phenomenon for .world.
Lemmy.ml doesn’t have the best track record either: https://feddit.nl/post/16246531
General purpose instances are terrible for decentralization because they basically just put every reddit community on .world. instances revolving around a certain topic or region (like country instances or slrpnk or lemdroid) make more sense with the hierarchical structure of Lemmy.
Not sure what you mean, there are quite a few examples of communities being on other general instances than LW
Reddit power tripping mods migrated en masse to lemmy.world and recreated another Reddit environment there ! glad the fedivere isn’t constrained to big servers. but this is still a big problem to resolve as those mods make it hard to engage in conversations with communities that are solely hosted on their instances.
with communities that are solely hosted on their instances.
This is the beauty of the Fediverse. If you don’t like the way a community is being run, start a new one. It’s a drum @[email protected] has been beating for a while.
As a matter of principle we should be wary of centralisation and think carefully about where to start a community. I’d also suggest starting communities elsewhere if the main one is on lemmy.ml.
Hold up a sec, now you’re just smearing people
It’s just a mod in a COMMUNITY, lemmy.world has been pretty free-speech friendly
I would be more careful of BeeHaw & Sh.itjust.works & Lemmy.cafe, if you wanted to raise suspicions
Also, There’s Mbin/Kbin & PieFed as alternatives to Lemmy
Beehaw gets a pass because they are trying to make a safe space. It’s literally their motive. The mods there have repeatedly said they are anti-free-speech, but they are massively inclusive (until that inclusivity hurts someone else, IE they don’t include transphobes, homophobes, Nazis etc).
Beehaw is a really friendly and welcoming place, they have great discussions, posts etc. Just… Treat everyone like a human, and don’t be a cunt.Surprisingly Beehaw is more welcoming than LW. LW is just full of power tripping ex-Redditors. I’d actually say that Reddit is better these days. It’s mind boggling…
Beehaw is more welcoming, but them not federating LW and SJW probably removes 90% of the Lemmy content to their users.
Also, they don’t plan to update to newer Lemmy versions, which also prevents their users from using new features like instance blocking.
Again, that’s their game plan.
Federating with certain instances increases their moderators workload. Their moderators/admins are expected to perform at a high level (provide a safe place).
Beehaw respects their moderators/admins. So without the adequate moderation tools, defederation is pretty much their only option.
They are considering other community platforms. They are hoping federation/Lemmy works for them, but they aren’t willing to compromise on their community goalsI am aware they want to switch to another software, and that’s fine.
It just seems a bit ironic that they complained a lot in the past (and rightfully so) about the lack of moderation tools, but now they don’t offer their users a very powerful one: user-level instance blocking.
I would be more careful of BeeHaw & Sh.itjust.works & Lemmy.cafe, if you wanted to raise suspicions
What do you mean? I’ve used Lemmy.cafe for a while, never noticed anything worrying. Same for SJW.
Beehaw has been addressed in the other comment.
I’ve just banned everyone from SJW. /s
Thanks, at least now it’s clear!
Ultimate power tripping move ha ha
I recall seeing a /conservative sub on .world but it has been removed. What happened to it?
Nah, lemmy.world admins are fucking lunatics.
I really need to get around to switching to a different instance.
Feel free, it’s quite easy with the export/import settings feature
I’m on world and want to swap. Do I keep my username and all the communities I follow if I swap?
To keep your username, you just need to register using the same username on that instance.
For the subscriptions and blocklists, those are included in the export/import settings feature, available in your account settings
Brilliant!
Blaze coming into the rescue!
We need a Blaze Signal - “somewhere on the Fediverse an injustice is being committed (probably someone not embracing the power of federation) or there’s an instance I don’t have an alt on. Hopefully both.”
😂
I think the keywords chili dogs or churros would grab his attention.
Is there a guide on how to do so?
- on your old account, open the settings, click on “Export” button under “Import/Export Settings”
- on your new account, open the settings, click on “Import” button under “Import/Export Settings” and use the file you got at the previous step
Thanks!
Guess I need to do this on a computer and not in the iOS Voyager app
Probably indeed!
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I’ve found sh.itjust.works to be pretty decent so far.
Solid meme
From the linked thread, as a reminder:
This is not a lemmy.world admin, who would actually speak on behalf of the whole instance (Not that those haven’t done questionable shit either, but not to this level). It’s a mod on community that happens to be hosted on lemmy.world, and they are citing the lemmy.world ToS in bad faith. Just like a corrupt cop will think of some bullshit law to arrest you if they wanted to abuse their power.
The admins stepped in for vegan cats. If they remove mods they do not agree with they could have done so here.
The MBFC bot was also top down straight from the admins.
The admins stepped in for vegan cats.
An admin stepped in for vegan cats, and had his decision reversed by the other admins.
The MBFC bot was also top-down straight from the admins.
An admin stepped in for vegan cats, and had his decision reversed by the other admins.
Why am I not surprised people are exaggerating things to get mad about, lol.
Recent studies in the last 3 years point to the contrary. That is misrepresenting the situation as synthetic taurine, B12 and vitamin A can be provided in a plant-based diet through the form of reputable kibble brands.
Sources:
-https://sustainablepetfood.info/
-https://bmcvetres.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s12917-021-02754-8
-https://www.magonlinelibrary.com/doi/abs/10.12968/vetn.2022.13.6.252
-https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371%2Fjournal.pone.0253292
-https://www.mdpi.com/2306-7381/10/1/52
-https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371%2Fjournal.pone.0284132
-https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S240584402411609X
Curiously clicked on the very last link at random and this is an excerpt of what I am reading:
In 1994, People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals (PETA) reported results of a systematic survey of the health of 300 vegetarian dogs sourced from 33 states within the U.S. and Canada via PETA’s newsletter [54,55]. Dogs ranged in age from young puppies to 19 years old, and included a wide range of breeds, males and females, both neutered and entire. Of these, 65.3% (196/300) were vegan, with the remaining 34.7% (104/300) simply vegetarian. They had been maintained on these diets for anywhere from less than two, to over nine years, with an average of 5.7 years. The precise diets used, and their level of nutritional adequacy, are unknown. Over 80% of dogs maintained on vegan or vegetarian diets for 50% to 100% of their lifetimes were reported as being in good to excellent health (Figure 1).
Bolded the absolutely laughable parts. The other “studies” mentioned in that article are about the same: Voluntary participation in a non-compensated study (leads to self-selection bias), owners simply reporting everything is fine (how do they know? perceived fur shininess is baloney), blood tests inconclusive.
The best you can pull from that article is that switching to a vegetarian diet for your cat/dog is likely not immediately endangering them. So it’s more “do so at your own risk” instead of “it’s recommended” and I don’t see how that is in the best interest of your pet, I’m sorry.
So you’re cherry picking right there.
It was the first article I openend and it was a nothing burger, so I guess. And based on your response I’m not gonna dissect the other links because you just want to be right about your personal choice anyway.
And based on your response I’m not gonna dissect the other links because you just want to be right about your personal choice anyway.
That’s literally projection, you’re doing everything you can to deny the scientific evidence to keep up the status quo to back to your obsolete beliefs.
Kibble brands are McDonald’s of pet food. Everything they do must be avoided like cancer. Everyone who spreads their misinformation must be cancelled.
It’s not just one though
Yeah, just important to remember that this is a moderation problem as it currently stands, rather than an administration problem.
On the other hand, little cow is claiming to be speaking for the admins, the post has been on the front page and is now 2 days old, and the admins haven’t said a word to disagree.
LemmyWorld, you failed me son.
Maybe it’s just me, but I never had that much of a problem with reddit mods. The only mods with which I had a problem, were tankie mods who had a problem with me calling them out on their mass murdering authoritarian bullshit
I came here because money hungry corpos fucked over my reddit client if choice and their official app sucks balls.
Reddit was easier because everyone pigeonholed themselves in subs they could exist in with minimum conflict. You wanted to be there. Jumping into All accidentally instead of your subscribed Front Page was often a surprise dumpster fire.
Lemmy is small enough that most participants don’t just stick to their subscribed communities, they go to All because there’s more to see.
Reddit didn’t have entire sets of communities banded together equivalent to an instance operating top to bottom with parallel internal ideologies that fanned out over the rest of the site and commented on everything. /conservative and /the_donald mostly kept to their kind, unlike here where grad and ml comment on things outside of their instance, or .world will find themselves commenting on a post from those communities. So some tankie will delete your comments if you rub the community the wrong way.
So some tankie will delete your comments if you rub the community the wrong way.
The latest posts on [email protected] are about LW mods power tripping, not tankies
Yeah but that one lemmy.ml mod telling someone that they wanted to shoot them and that they hope they die soon (https://hexbear.net/post/3706906/5518427) goes so very much further than merely removing their comments - although they did that as well.:-)
I am not absolving Lemmy.World here of any offenses, but the DEGREE of what is claimed there does not seem remotely close to being equal to me.
I’m not telling lemmy.ml have perfect records, far from that, but I was just saying that LW mods also have their issues. Both things can be true at the same time.
Oh yes, true.
Although in this case I’m not against the mod who was simply doing what the instance admins instructed (the mistake being to have removed comments rather than locking the post in the first place, as she tells the story anyway). But if you meant admins then yes.
Yea same i was on reddit 10+ years never a single bad, on lemmy I’ve already been banned from 2 communities for some reason lol
I’m afraid lemmy is going to turn into massive echo chambers very fast. It’s already happening after the election, becuase people don’t want to think they could possibly be wrong on any issue 🤷♀️
Yeah, I’m also skeptical Lemmy will be that much better, but I do feel a very satisfying freedom from corporatism. Cory Doctorow wrote an interesting article just this week about the fediverse and how corporate walled gardens always turn to shit in the worst ways. At least here I know there isn’t some company trying to squeeze me like a lemon or trick me to hand over my data or whatnot. Where I’m skeptical is instances based on ideology. I want instance admin to feel neutral and uncontroversial. I can’t reduce myself to a member of any one of such instances
If it helps to know, moderator resources here are extremely limited, in part (I’ve heard, so take with a grain of salt from someone who has no direct knowledge or the situation) bc the tools themselves are extremely terrible, especially across instances.
And I have extra sympathy for communities like politics where all sorts of stuff are spewed at the mods, who have to cater to people from all across the world, each one absolutely convinced of the extreme rightness of their own particular niche cause - influenced by religion, culture, laws, etc. and seemingly unwilling to understand how anyone could possibly live differently.
So I get it: if it’s a choice between the instance itself facing legal pressures from the police, I can see why an instance admin would immediately give up any “right to free speech” - which isn’t really a thing online, despite how many people claim that it should be.
The Fediverse allows us to spin up our own instances (kind of a heavy burden though), and most instances allow us to create our own communities - if we would only actually USE this power, then it would offer the freedom that it genuinely promises. e.g., you could personally start your own community, or help grow an existing one by posting or even just commenting inside of it to help make it more welcoming for people. It’s a thought anyway:-).
e.g. instead of always using [email protected], block that and use [email protected]. The latter has grown tremendously since it started, yet still has only a quarter of the subscribers in the former (actually here I’m using monthly active users when viewed specifically from the instance it is located on, as a significantly more precise statistic of how many actually use it as opposed to merely subscribed at some point in the past), but we can make it grow - if we really wanted that to happen.
“Tankies”, i.e. anyone left of center have been banned from reddit for the last decade. Weird that after that capitalism did its thing and made reddit bad …
Thank you. I needed this meme in my life.
Lemmy is butter. Reddit is the margerin we had been consuming.
Both are bad for your health.
I prefer bacon, honestly.
What is bacon?
Old school forums?
I don’t know but it narwhals at midnight.
Bacon is just a small step forward. Eat salo!
Processed meat is bad for your health too. It will give you cancer.
Bacon is less processed than any vegetable oil out there.
guys how do i transfer my account to another instance?
Blaze goes over it elsewhere in this thread.
Account Settings -> scroll down to Import/Export Settings, choose Export.
In the new account, repeat but choose Import.
Messages sent to your old account won’t follow you, but your subscribed communities and block lists will be transferred this way.
Be warned that Lemmy.World has defederated from hexbear.net and lemmygrad.ml but not all other instances have done so. These are known troll instances that, like the Alt-Right movement, offer an extreme and distorted view of their beliefs, but in this case are arguably worse bc they claim to be leftists so you may be more susceptible to falling into responding there, at which point you’ll quickly discover why they are considered troll instances. Also, the instance block feature is misnamed and does not block actual instances, only communities located on them. When a mod tells you that they want to shoot and kill you and that they hope you die soon (sadly I am nowhere close to joking, that’s a real event that actually happened, although actually that one was the tankie instance lemmy.ml in a small gaming community), you’ll see the truth of it for yourself.
So pick a good instance that matches best what you want to see. lemm.ee if you want to see everything, lemmy.cafe or dubvee.org or quokk.au or PieFed if you don’t, and so many in-between. https://lemmy.fediverse.observer/list sorted by Active Monthly Users is a great website for that - e.g. perhaps you’ll pick a region-specific one like Lemmy.ca for Canada or feddit.org for German + English language, or Discuss.Online or Lemmy.Today or midwest.social for USA, etc.
Alternately, I just block the [email protected] and [email protected] communities and use others like [email protected]. But even so, it’s good to spread around the Fediverse to take better advantage of decentralization.
Enjoy!:-)
I gotta say I’m pretty sick of this shit on lemmy as a whole.
I get that ml has a tankie problem. but is this what we’re gonna do now? just whenever something happens on an instance that’s it, everyone should move?
even if we did, where do we even go? even in this thread I see some people suggesting instances that other people already call sus.
i guess that confirms how leftist lemmy is. we just morphed the infighting to instance fighting.
even if we did, where do we even go?
https://lemm.ee/ or https://sh.itjust.works/ are popular choices
even in this thread I see some people suggesting instances that other people already call sus
Where?
That person hasn’t backed their claims.
A SJW admin even made a joke about them banning everyone.
So those of us who aren’t tech geniuses are just stuck?
I’m using Voyager and Lemmy basically works like Reddit did for me. I don’t know what instance I’m ever on or how to see things.
If you use email, you probably know whether it’s Gmail or Outlook.
And you are on Lemmy.world, by the way.
And to the outlook or email question, I’m using voyager
I signed up on the app and have only accessed it through this
You are indeed on Lemmy.world
Haha more like lemmy.libs amirite?
Yeah, having been settled in awhile on lemmy before watching that April '23 reddit “exodus” over spez shutting down blackouts…the influx of allocishetmonoabled white dudes, who felt entitled to tell us we werern’t welcome, was…well it’d be funny if it weren’t such an embodiment of why UHC can get away with a 7,000,000:1 ratio as long as they did. Even when theyre “sticking it” to the CEO’s, they’re still played like a fiddle.
So fuck em. Refuse to allow them to move the overton window of the discussion rightward. Dont stand for having your take policed, and don’t self-censor to appease that stubborn demographic. Make them come to us.
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