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    Texas does not have a monopoly on y’all. Y’all is collective, both as a noun, and as ownership. Y’all is Southern for Comrade.

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        Ya’ll better watch out now y’hear? We don take kindly to that kind’a hate speech ‘round these parts. Equal weight beans and beef, you skimp out either and yain’t fixin’ chili; you might’ina even be inclined to leave for everyone’s sake.

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        Where in the world do you not put beans in chili? That’s literally the point of chili. Is this an American thing I’m too European to understand?

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          Chili involves 2 things: Chilis and beef. Much in the idea of molé sauce, you can get a lot of complexity from chili powder alone.

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          I’ve also heard them say tomatoes shouldn’t be added to chilli as well

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            As a Texan, this is true. Traditional chili is based on the Mexican “chili con carne,” meaning “chilies with meat.”

            Chili normally is a stew with 1 inch cubes of a tougher meat like chuck steak that’s been stewed down until tender in a liquid (water or beef stock, sometimes even beer or coffee added) and a puree of reconstituted dried chiles (not chili powder) and other spices. Nothing else goes into traditional Texan chili. Beans are sometimes served on the side though. Adding beans is perceived as a cheap filter and skimping out on the meat.

            This is the dish that started all of these other non-mexican versions of chili and you’re missing out of you’ve never had it!

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          I’m southern with family from Louisiana, Texas and Arkansas and chili is all about the beans. I call chili with chiles, beans and tomatoes “Chili” and if I make it with beans, chiles, tomatoes and meat (stew meat never hamburger) “Meat Chili”. Would take chili with beans & corn over chili without beans any day of the week.

          Chili with hamburger without beans is something to put on a hot dog or bun. Not a meal, it’s like hamburger helper nonsense.

          ETA: this is not to say I’ve never made stew meat in Chile sauce. Cubed brisket finished in sauce of anchos and tomatillos is heavenly. I just never call that chili.

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            Being a yank scumbag, I clearly don’t help your argument but

            Chili with hamburger without beans is something to put on a hot dog or bun. Not a meal, it’s like hamburger helper nonsense.

            is how I’ve always seen it.

            Goddamn, some o’ y’inz need fiber.

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    I refuse to accept Texas’ claim on y’all. Its a word collectively owned by everyone south of the mason-dixon line and I will fight to the death over this.

    Signed, floridaman

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      …Am I not allowed to use “y’all”, north of the 49th parallel? Do we have to bring back “thou” so “you” can be plural again? Or is this part of the Quebecois plot to force everyone to parler en français donc nous pouvons utiliser “vous”? C’est bien, anyway, j’suppose.

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        Fun fact:

        “Thou” and “you” were the same word.

        The “th” sound used to have its own character in written English called the thorn. When typefaces came along, it was excluded and sometimes replaced with a “y.”

        Also why “Ye” and “The” are the same.

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        Is it bad that I’m more bothered by “j’suppose” than the inclusion of “anyway”?

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          C’est un trait quebecois, je pense… les cowboys fringants la dit (“anyway”), donc je ne sais, c’est probablement ok… J’ai entendu “j’suppose” avant aussi, vraiment, je pense…? Est-ce que ça n’est pas comme “I’spose” en anglais? Reverso a beaucoup des examples pour “j’suppose”, quand même. (Je ne suis pas quebecois ou francophone, si tu ne peut pas voir pour quelque raison; je suis un idiot anglophone.)

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            “I’spose” est facile. “J’suppose” est dur à dire, parce qu’on ne peut pas dire “j’s” comme “i’s”.

            J’ai dû sortir mon français rouillé. Merci pour la pratique. Et oui, j’ai utilisé Google.

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              “I’spose” est facile. “J’suppose” est dur à dire, parce qu’on ne peut pas dire “j’s” comme “i’s”.

              Eh, je ne sais. C’est plus difficile que “I’spose”, oui, mais je pense que c’est ok… Les cowboys fringants dit aussi “j’te”, “j’rentre”, et probablement les autres consonnes aussi, donc, généralement, je l’imagine comme si on bredouille un peu.

              J’ai dû sortir mon français rouillé. Merci pour la pratique. Et oui, j’ai utilisé Google.

              Et la même à toi! Mais j’utilise Google pour traduire du français vers l’anglais, après avoir premièrement écrit la français avec Collins et quelquefois Reverso (mon professeur français a toujours aimé ça). Je fais des corrections alors peut-être. Ainsi, Google me dit si j’ai fait des grosses erreurs, mais je pratique mon français tout seul.

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        Well, I’m doing my best to import it into the New Zealand vernacular, we are South of the 49th.

        So, uh, I dunno.

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        You can use yall but the "L"s are quieter the further north you go such that they’re silent near the border

        “How ya doin” is simply plural above the 49th

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      Everyone gets y’all. It fills the dumb gap in English where the plural of you is you. Now if we could only get a singular neutral 3rd for people that isn’t also the plural.

      E: Or we could start pronouncing They singular like latchkey, for a thee sound. So we can get fun words like they’s (thees). It will also make English even more confusing for newbies. What’s not to love?

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        If the plural of goose is geese, then the plural of moose is meese.

        I approve of this message, are y’all with me?

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      So long as we can still claim “Y’all’d’nt’ve”

      It’s our greatest contribution to the lexicon and extremely efficient.

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      It’s also second person plural (or singular), second person is always ungendered.

      First and second person, plural and singular are never gendered: I, you, we, you / y’all / all y’all. The only pronouns that are gendered are the third person singular: he / she / it. Third person plural (they) is also ungendered.

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        The most common form (at least where I’m from) of second person plural behind “you all (y’all)” is gendered: “you guys”. It’s used in an ungendered way increasingly commonly, but “guy” is still gendered to plenty of English speakers.

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          “Guys” is sometimes gendered, sometimes not. There really isn’t a female-gendered equivalent to “you guys”. You could say something like “you gals”, but that’s just not used. Most often you could say “could you guys follow me?” to a group of women and nobody would think twice about it.

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      As someone who grew up in North Carolina, I agree. Texas might be the first thing some people think of when it comes to “southern” states, but it doesn’t get exclusive claim to the quirks of the whole region

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        I have never thought of Texas as southern (yes, I know they’re the south-most state). Western movies were in Texas, so Texas is western (don’t judge my very clearly faulty logic). South Carolina is south for sure. Georgia. Mississippi and Alabama are no brainers. But Texas? That’s where western cowboys live… sorry… cowyalls.

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    “You” is also ungendered. There seems to be a common idea that English is missing a second person plural. We have one, it’s “you”. We just stopped using the second person singular. That’s what all those variations of “thee, thou, thy” etc were.

    “Y’all” would be a superpluralization. If that’s still not enough we also have the ultraplural form of, “all y’all”

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      Y’all is exclusive. All y’all is inclusive.

      If I walk into a party in a house and a group of my friends are there and I say ‘what are y’all doing here?’, I’m only talking to my friends.

      If I walk into my own house and there’s a party there and I say ‘what are all y’all doing here?’ I’m addressing everyone of the hoodlums in my house.

      Edit: To the person who down voted yet contributed nothing to the convo, please feel obliged to read up on clusivity in linguistics.

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        I was one of the downvotes. Clusivity, as described in your article does not apply to y’all. It’s You All…it will never include the speaker.

        It’d have to be something like w’all to apply.

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        We’re very inclusive in Australia also.

        ‘G’day you bunch of cunts’ means hello to everyone male, female, known and unknown.

        We’re very polite over here.

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        Getting pressed enough about a single downvote to make an edit is cringe.

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        Yeah. We mostly think of grammatical number as a simple choice of singular vs plural but that’s not what we do in real life.

        We generally have multiple labels that describe the concept of progressively expanding circles of what’s included when we think of ourselves.

        There’s the very narrow sense of I/me/myself. We have various expansions around us/all’y’all. Jamaicans have the phrase “I and I” which focuses on the individual but explicitly calls out the connection with others.

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        Sounds right.
        Presumably “y’all’s” would be the second person superplural possessive.

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        We also have “Ya’” where we elide the entire ending and you need to determine plural vs singular from context. For example, “Ya’ can’t get thea, les’ ya been there befoa.”

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      As a Texan we are not southern ;)

      We are sort of western. But yea too late to the party to be southern imo.

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        Depends. Texas exists as a state in part because southern US farmers ran out of land to grow cotton in. A good chunk of Texas is just an extension of the south. Then again, a good chunk is an extension of Mexico. Tejanos don’t get the credit they are due for the formation of the Republic.

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      You mean it has a several well developed left wing voting cities between the huge stretches of backwater redneck hellscapes? I’d love to know what makes Texas not southern…

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        Texas is a Southwest state that identifies as Southern, making all of Texas inherently woke

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          I mean, it’s certainly disgusting white trash enough. It’s got a lot of similar characteristics. Although I think eating horse turds to celebrate a championship is pretty unique. So they’ve got that and the throwing batteries at Santa thing to separate themselves. Fuck Philly.

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            Okay, not my point. The point is that part of the human condition is that the more urban you are the more liberal you will be.

            Someone in a rural environment does not see the problems that someone in an urban environment does which means the two groups have different priorities, look at New York. You see the same trend of blue in the cities and great big swaths of red everywhere else. Same for Washington State, same for California, really just pick a state and you’re going to see this trend.

            It’s in no way a uniquely Southern thing. It’s just the fact that if your closest neighbor is 3 miles away and you know everyone in town, the scope of your problems are going to be pretty limited. That’s because you don’t know anyone who has the problems the city folk are complaining about, so the magnitude of the problems are lost on you.

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    That’s why conservatives have started to say yim’all and yer’all in order needlessly gender the expression. Can’t believe these folks sometimes.

    Edit: 😂

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            North Carolina once outlawed State officials mentioning or acknowledging climate change exists, to the detriment of their own coastal cities. We could also discuss bathrooms if you want. I think NC ought not be pointing fingers about who is better.

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              North Carolina is only the way it is because of ridiculous gerrymandering so perhaps we shouldn’t be negative and discouraging of people who want it to be better

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              While true there are some groups people and politicians are trying to make it be better and change things like that. I can’t think of anyone in SC that is doing that (though I admit I don’t keep up with their politics outside broad nationwide headlines)

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              Well I DID add “or at least the least awful one”. I know that NC is far from perfect, with some instances of truly horrid policies, but compared to SC it’s almost downright progressive lol

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            I went to South Carolina once. For the eclipse a few years ago.

            We flew into Charlotte, stayed there for a night, then Greenville SC for a night (to be in totality), and back to Charlotte for a couple of days.

            Crossing the border from NC to SC was less like crossing state lines and more like crossing the DMZ or the Berlin Wall. Just…a totally different word on the other side of that line.

            Best part was that I got to try out cheer wine. Also there was a guy in front of me at the concession stand (we saw the eclipse from the Greenville Zoo) on the phone with someone. He was trying to tell that person he was in the “food line” but the other person kept hearing “Food Lion”, the name of a local grocery chain.

            Although a couple of different guys saw me sweating my ass off in the zoo and offered me a “cool rag”. I had no idea what that was and it sounded disgusting so I politely declined…but in retrospect I have to appreciate their hospitality.

            Next eclipse, I’m going to Austin.

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    y’all is second person plural. First and Second person aren’t gendered. Therefore, I is also woke

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      OMG yes! We must make this a thing, make the right speak in caveman to fit their troglodyte nature! Lol

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    It’s actually a contraction from old English or Scots and has been around since 1631. The hicks are using socialist words that aren’t theirs.

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    Y’all is the best pronoun.

    It’s second person can be used singular or plural, and the difference is all contextual.

    It’s ungendered and it’s makes almost anything feel “more fun.”

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    Y’all Texans can go to hell for trying to claim y’all.

    • Signed a Louisianan

    P.s. your El Paso 857 sign can go right to hell too.

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    the oldest published “Y’all” was from Richmond Virginia in 1856 in the Southern Literary Messenger