• Trigger2_2000@sh.itjust.works
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    With sufficient voltage, everything is a conductor.

    With insufficient voltage, everything is an insulator.

    Neither may be conducive to those roles, but everything has some conductivity and some resistance (super conductors being a possible exception).

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    Oh hey, I design those. Though I design them so that there’s an incredibly low risk they do that.

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    Everything is a wire if the voltage is high enough.

    Every machine is a smoke machine if you use it wrong enough.

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      I was interviewed for a position where lady handed me a pen and asked if it was a conductor.

      I replied: "if the voltage is high enough, yea. She scoffed. Needless to say, I didn’t get the job.

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        Honestly I think you gave the experienced adult answer to what was a high school or even middle school science question.

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        that just sounds like a weird interview.

        “you’re qualified for this position if, and only if, you can answer a useless question with only a rudimentary understanding of the subject and no critical thought”

        if true, you dodged a bullet

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            Isn’t that impossible, because let’s say you use 3 as the base, the only way 1 and 2 could connect is if they were at 0 angle.

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      Oi! As an engineer I worked damn hard to trap that magic smoke in the machine only for you to let it out and try perfectly good components. Treat your machines with respect, they’re getting smarter by the day and they’re forgetting less and less!

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    This is particularly applicable around downed power cables. Do NOT approach. You don’t need to touch it to become the wire.

    For example: in LA right now

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      dO nOT toUch the DoWn wIres uuuum I have MY RIGHTS to turn myself into a gas station hotdogs thankyouverymuch

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      You have to keep in mind that the resistance from one foot to your other is going to be less than dry earth between your strides. This means if you are walking toward a downed power line, you may inadvertently walk within its path to its ground and the voltage could actually travel through you.

      https://youtu.be/7BbGzTqTNxc

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        Why is this not knowledge taught in school?

        It is the first time i hear about it and i have never thought of it, yet it makes total sense and could make the difference between life and death in a storm damaged area.

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          Well, we did learn exactly that in school and had a practical demonstration at a museum.

          But on a different continent.

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      Especially dangerous if it’s a high voltage wire. Even standing close you can become the least resistant path to earth.

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      For downed, you mean just a power cable that’s down on the ground but otherwise intact, or he’s only dangerous when cut?

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    High frequency! It Mega hurtz!

    Low frequency! It kill a hurtz!

    Ultra high frequency! It giga hurtz!

    Pretty much any high voltage high frequency thing really hurtz. It’ll kill you at different rates but it’ll hurt the entire time.

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    Pshaw, even at LV, it’s a lay theory that is, at best, vastly incomplete and, at worst, demonstrably false.

    Electricity will flow through all paths, the most electricity will flow down the path of the least resistance.

    That arc is going up because the plasma is hot and the air is turbulent.

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      Yeah, maybe it needs a Hedberg-ism to get it across to people.

      Electricity takes the path of least resistance. It takes the other paths, but it takes the least resistance path too.

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        The problem I have with it is that it gives a false sense of security and how the world works. Most people think lightning rods attract the lightning and direct it into the ground because of this. 1/3 of the world has 220v and 110v connected directly into their showerhead without any idea why they don’t die from it.

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          Agreed, and I think there are tons of hazards out there that would be mitigated if more people cared to learn how the world works.

          But when it comes to energy in general and electricity in particular, 10x it. Typically energy is more useful when it’s more concentrated, and any potent energy source that can do a useful type of work can also do a thousand destructive types of “work.”

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    “it’s current not voltage that kills you”

    High voltage: “Por que no los dos?”

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      High voltage: “hey bestie, how would you like a ✨️new and improved ✨️ nervous system?”

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      I always thought that was a dumb saying because voltage is specifically what allows there to be a lethal current.

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        I think people just don’t understand ohm’s law. They seem to think voltage and current are unrelated to each other.

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          I suppose it’s half right. Obviously OHMs law is the triangle.

          So you get a high voltage, running through a high resistance, it won’t kill you. The problem is people interpret it in a way that seems to think raising the voltage without raising the resistance is just fine.

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            It’s kinda hard to raise your body’s resistance a ton outside of not making good contact (e.g. wearing rubber boots/gloves). Things like your skin being moist lower resistance, but I’m not sure it’s really that much of a safety factor when dealing with high voltage.

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              I think the general gist is… not as much your body’s resistance as the circuit as a whole. IE a high voltage power source traveling through a high resistance circuit, vs touching the high voltage source directly.

              It’s about the full path the electricity takes (not counting any portion that you may be cutting out if you are giving it a faster path to ground allowing it to bypass some resistance), rather than just the voltage of the source.

              That’s the point that’s trying to be made in that statement, the voltage is indeed a critical part of the equasion. Just not the sole portion of importance.

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          Voltage and current are related, of course, but Ohm’s law is just a simplification of circuit theory for static circuits, and the version most are taught early on assume zero inductance and zero capacitance in the circuit. Drop in an alternating current, some capacitors and inductors, and you’ve got yourself a more complex situation, literally, with the scalar real number representing resistance replaced with the complex number representing impedance.

          And when you have time variance that isn’t a simple sinusoidal wave of electric potential coming from a source, even the definition of the word “voltage” starts requiring vector calculus to even be a coherent definition.

          So when I take a simple battery of DC cells to create a low voltage power source, I can still induce current using some transformers and inductors (which store energy in magnetic field) and abruptly breaking open the circuit so that the current still arcs across high resistance air. That’s the basic principle of how a spark plug works. In those cases, you’re creating immense voltages for a tiny amount of time, but there’s never any real risk of significant current being pushed through any part of a person’s body. And as soon as you draw off some of the current, the voltage immediately drops as you deplete the stored energy wherever it is in the system.

          And anything designed to deliver an electric shock to a person (or animal) tends to be high voltage, low current. Tasers, electric fences, etc.

          So it’s current that matters for safety. A high voltage doesn’t always induce a high current. And current can cause problems even at relatively low voltages.

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        In static electric fields, sure. But the real world has rapidly changing electric fields, and mapping concepts like voltage or resistance to a time dimension starts to require imaginary numbers (and the complex analogue to resistance goes by a different name of impedance). And once you’re modeling electricity through those concepts, you can have high current in a particular moment in time where the voltage might not be high. Or where the implied voltage is very high but was actually more of an effect than a cause.

        In other words, if you’re simply talking about “resistance,” you’re already in the wrong domain to be analyzing electrical safety properly.

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        It’s a very dumb saying. If you don’t have the volts you won’t get the amps to kill you that’s ohms law.

        However, there are plenty of harmless high voltage scenarios as well. Situations with high voltage, but no power.

        So really you need both.

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        Its the “power” that kills you. Power depends on you as well as voltage.(Your resistance determine the current and time period of current flow also matters)

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      To be precise, it’s the high amount of heat, electrolysis and other chemical reactions that kill you.

      If you were a prefect conductor, you wouldn’t have a problem.

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    • MataVatnik@lemmy.worldOP
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      B̷̨̛̲̩̥̺͉̜̘͖̦͑́̀̎̊̂̒͐͘Ẻ̵̛͎͎͑̎̉̾͛̌͒̆̓ ̸͙͍̟͇̬̩̩͍̮͇͓̰̏́͒̇̽̎́̃͘N̸̦͈̒̏͌̐̀O̴̧̳͕̣̒̂̋̾̂̎T̴̡͓̪̰̙̀͒̓͐̉͗̓̈̍͒ ̴̭̈͊À̵̡̢̼͍̮̞͍̯̙̙͉̙̫̽̃͆́̈́̈́̈́̌̀̚͘͜͝͝F̶̛̛͎̒̿̈́̆̏̽̅͐͝͠R̸͔͖̪̖͉͎̀̾̔̕͝͝͝͝A̶̰̮̜̻̹̓̐̂̅̀ͅI̶̛͔͓͌̑̄́̅͌̂͝͝D̸̢͚̯͈͇̜̞̳̣͉̹̬̣̆͜

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        p̵͙͍͙͓͈̈́̌͋͊̋̄̈́̓̇̀̇̽̋̕͠p̶̳̬̳̃w̴̪͍̪̰͔̙̤̼̉͗͐͆̇́̓̔̋̍͘ȩ̸̨̠̠̩͚̠̫͇̦̬̩͈̉͆͊̅̔͐̿̍̓̋͘ŗ̴̛̙̝̦͌̿̊͊̅̂̎̊̍͘̕̕͝͡͠ ̶̛̥̫̈͛̂̆̔̌͗̽̎̕͠ȍ̴̗͉̼̘̰̮͎̦͂̏͌͋̔͜͟͟v̶̩̇̓̀̀̽̑̃͊̾̒́̾͘͘e̸̟͈̊̀͟ŕ̴̢̲̯͈͙͇̝̭̦̙͈̫̾͂́͐̚͜͟w̷̧̻̘̣͍̬̣̜̟͕̞̠̖̐̒͟͝͝ḥ̸̨̘̘̻͎̦̬͋͟͝ė̵̬̠͙͙͙̱̫̆̒̅͐̎͂̂̎ṗ̸̦̰̘̳̜͙̺̖͈̈́̎̏̒̕̚͝͠͝ḿ̷̨̺̟̖̥̯͊̂͑͋̈̓̕͡͝͡ĩ̸̧̧̧̛̛̱̠̱͓̙̣͎̐́̑̓̓͜͝ͅͅñ̸̪̯̣̆͑̏̏̌̈́͜g̶̢̗͕̯̤͈̙͉͋̈́̀͑̇̚͟͜͝!̶̨̖̞̖̬͎̯͍̳̝͈̞̇̀̉̋͋͐̀͛͊̀̒̽̍͑ͅ!̵̳̲͖̪͋̾̀͑͟