• oce 🐆@jlai.lu
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    As a French, the fact that no white flag was mentioned in these comments like it would have inevitably on reddit shows the quality of the chaps in here.

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      France has shown themself to be made of much sterner stuff in the last couple decades then the stereotypes and jokes like to make out. I mean that’s not going to stop the English from making fun of France, but they still have nobility like this was 1650 or something.

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        The French have always been pretty strong. I don’t know what history you read, but they’ve pretty consistently had one of the strongest militaries in the world. Sure, they surrendered quickly on WWII, but the people kept fighting even then when their government was occupied. They were one of the first nations to aid the United States also and have always been pretty active.

        Is this all good? Idk. Besides resisting the Nazis after the occupation, I would very much argue much of this is bad (or at best self-serving). It’s nation-state shit. It’s never out of marality. They’re strong though.

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          I said it was a stereotype. Overcoming that popular stereotype has been a lot harder than actually having a good military. And demonstrating that you have a good military is different than having one at all. Right or wrong, in the minds of many Americans they didn’t start seeming strong until after 9/11.

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        France has shown themself to be made of much sterner stuff in the last couple decades

        WDYM? France has been participating in plenty of undeclared, unofficial and gray zone wars practically since WWII till now.

        the stereotypes and jokes like to make out

        These change with time. Most of European history the stereotypic image of French people was much tougher than that of Germans.

        After 1971 - yeah. Interwar - no. After that - again yes.

        EDIT: 1871

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      Liberté, égalité, fraternité. The Americans learned it from you lot. Might do them well to remember.

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        Wasn’t the American revolution like a decade before the French one?

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          Yep, you’re right. After a quick search, it looks like the American Revolution started in 1765, and the French Revolution started in 1789.

          However, I know French policies and political development had a profound impact on the ideas central to liberal democracies, as it could also be said of American policies and political development.

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      Y’all fight in the streets better than us. We’ve got no leg to stand on.

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      Fun fact: the white flag of surrender became widely known in Europe because people were surrendering to the French.

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          Personally, I care more about the volume of ice cream I eat than the mass. I don’t want to pay more for more calories when diminishing marginal utility is already in effect.

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      I looked into making my own ice cream once and had to realize, that practically any store bought ice cream must contain at least some, because my homemade ice cream immediately melted and was impossible to keep im a freezer…

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      I just really need to point out that no where on this product is it called ice cream. It’s a frozen dairy product.

      It really bothers me that they’re allowed to slap whatever bullshit in an ice cream container, and as long as it’s called anything else in the fine print, the fact that we all assume it’s ice cream is on US.

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        From the United States Code of Federal Regulations:

        § 58.2825 United States Standard for ice cream.

        (a) Ice cream shall contain at least 1.6 pounds of total solids to the gallon, weigh not less than 4.5 pounds to the gallon, and contain not less than 20 percent total milk solids, constituted of not less than 10 percent milkfat. In no case shall the content of milk solids not fat be less than 6 percent. Whey shall not, by weight, be more than 25 percent of the milk solids not fat.

        It continues on in that fashion, but if I’m honest I see this as the system working correctly. The food in that carton likely doesn’t meet the legal, technical definition of ice cream and thus cannot be labeled as such, and it isn’t. There are things that are labelled as ice cream in Europe which cannot be labelled as such here because they don’t conform to the above standards. But if you were served a scoop of it and asked what it was, you would confidently identify it as ice cream.

        I’ll tell you what does bother me though: The front of the package and a marketing blurb on their website refers to it as vanilla, strawberry and blueberry flavored, but the ingredients are listed as:

        INGREDIENTS: SKIM MILK, CORN SYRUP, SUGAR, CREAM, FRUCTOSE, STRAWBERRIES, WATER, COCONUT OIL, WHEY, LESS THAN 2% OF: MONO AND DIGLYCERIDES, GUAR GUM, NATURAL FLAVOR, BEET JUICE (FOR COLOR), CAROB BEAN GUM, TARA GUM, SPIRULINA EXTRACT (FOR COLOR), ANNATTO (FOR COLOR), VITAMIN A PALMITATE. CONTAINS MILK

        Vanilla and blueberries are not listed among the ingredients. I’m guessing whatever wood pulp derived vanillin that most of the vanilla flavored things in the world are actually flavored by is included in the “natural flavor” and we’re left to guess where any “bold blueberry deliciousness” is supposed to come from.

        I’ve long thought they shouldn’t be allowed to put “natural flavor” as an ingredient as that is too vague, what if there is a “natural flavor” you are allergic to? What if that “natural flavor” is cat smegma?

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          The blueberry and vanilla flavors are included in the “natural flavors” listing. The FDA defines natural flavors as those that are made by extracting/distilling the flavor from an actual food. It doesn’t have blueberries or vanilla; it has the flavor from blueberries and vanilla in the form of blueberry and vanilla extracts.

          Artificial flavors are those synthesized in a lab without ever using the original food item.

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            Yeah, which actual food? People have allergies to actual foods.

            Let’s say they derive a blueberry-like flavor from grapes because grapes are cheaper or something. I think that’s a reasonable thing to allow them to do, grapes are food, they’re fruit, “we made one fruit flavor out of another fruit” okay fine. But what if you’re allergic to grapes but not blueberries? It should say on the label that this is made from grapes.

            “Turns out the blueberry flavored snack that doesn’t say the word ‘grape’ anywhere on the package has grapes in it” is a great reason to visit the ER.

            If they’re allowed to use basically any ingredient they want and call it “natural flavor” why aren’t they just allowed to put the word “substance” in the ingredients list?

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              It says natural blueberry, vanilla and strawberry flavors on the top of the package. You don’t get natural blueberry, vanilla or strawberry flavor from grapes. You get them from blueberries, vanilla, and strawberries. If you derived a blueberry flavor from a grape, it would count as an artificial flavor.

              I’d be more concerned about “and other natural flavors” that aren’t even mentioned anywhere.

              But The Food Allergen Labeling and Consumer Protection Act says if the natural or artificial flavor contains any of the 8 most common food allergens, it must be labeled.

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                Well I mean, apparently there are “strawberries” in it. And “beet juice (for color)”. Breyers themselves have used their ingredients list in their marketing, “Just milk, cream, sugar and fruit.” If they just mashed up some berries they’d be proud to list that. So some laboratory grade shit has taken place.

                If I’m being charitable, which having slept reasonably well last night I’m prone to being, I’ll acknowledge that blueberry juice is reddish purple and not blue, so to get the proper French tricolor they probably had to render it colorless somehow and then color it with something else, which is why “strawberries” are listed but “blueberries” aren’t.

                I’m still not buying the cold dessert cow-related edible substance though.

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            I don’t think it requires “actual food” sources. “Natural” strawberry flavour used to be made from beaver anal glands, which I doubt anybody would consider food.

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          There out of the top five ingredients are different kinds of sugar. I love how companies try to hide how much sugar is in their prices foods.

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        Blaming the person being lied to instead of the liar is kind of BS.

        It’s on the company and the FDA which was literally created to stop this kind of nonsense and abandonded its duties decades ago.

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          Except on their actual ice cream it says ice cream and on their frozen dairy treats they call them frozen dairy treats.

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    Liberté, Égalité, Fraternité. Wait, that’s France. Murica is just Liberté. And only for rich.

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      I disagree, there is also Fraternité in America. If you are rich and white enough for a gated community. Don’t expect Egalité though, the Karen (M/F, don’t expect any other genders to be allowed) in charge of the HOA won’t stand for that.

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    Also, don’t forget that Captain America is actually Captain Puerto Rico.

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    Just the United States acknowledging its debt to General LaFayette.

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    would it really be that difficult to just make a blue rectangle in the corner, and fill the rest with like 5 red/white stripes?